Dr. Joel Kahn on how to prevent Heart Disease

March 17, 2018by Reena0

Dr. Joel Kahn on how to prevent Heart Disease


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Top Cardiologist Dr. Kahn interviews with Reena Jadhav about Heart disease

Dr. Joel Kahn is founder of the Kahn Center for Cardiac Longevity in Michigan and owner of GreenSpace Cafe. He is a Summa Cum Laude graduate of the University of Michigan School of Medicine and Clinical Professor of Medicine at Wayne State University of Michigan. He specialty is the prevention and reversal of heart disease (heart attacks, stroke) using lifestyle therapies. He is the author of over 150 scientific articles, hundreds of health articles, and 5 books. His first book is a national public TV special, Your Whole Heart Solution. His latest book is a #1 Amazon seller, The Plant Based Solution.

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Dr. Joel Kahn on how to prevent Heart Disease




Here are the Key Questions answered and highlights:


1. How did you get interested prevention of Heart attacks/Heart disease given that you are so great in at patching people up? (02:30)

– There are regions and countries where heart attacks are unknown
– Research shows that you can reverse heart disease with a lifestyle you can take black arteries and make them younger by eating well, managing stress, doing yoga, walking and having social connections and friends

2. When you talk about lifestyle changes what are you referring to? Give us some concrete examples. (07:25)

– The body is a beautiful web or system

– The most dangerous statement out there is moderation in everything

– If you’re gonna use food as your vehicle to maintain optimum weight, blood sugar, blood cholesterol and avoid the #1 killer of men and women, you need to be strict. You need somewhere between 95 and 100%

– you need whole food plant-based as your core

– this includes: Beans, legumes, whole grains, vegetables

– you don’t need too much protein in your diet because you age slower

– “Extreme diet, moderate exercise and abundant in love”

– You need Stress Management: Yoga, Meditation, transgression music, Headspace app

– You need Breathing exercises: 4-7-8 breathing

– You can use herbs: Ashwagandha, Rhodiola

– You need great sleep to restore, rejuvenate and rebuild

– No smoking

– Completely animal-free diets, rich in whole-foods, whole grains, legumes, fruits & vegetables have the ability to reverse and prevent heart attack

– How old are your arteries? Check your earlobe, salt & pepper hair, erectile dysfunction, etc.

– Get a cat scan of your heart

– Coronary Artery Calcium Scan

3. What would you say are some of the most important takeaways for someone who’s very busy and wants to keep their arteries clean? (24:09)

– Do NOT smoke

– Stop eating processed food especially processed bacon, salami, pastrami, baloney, hotdogs. It associates with diabetes, erectile dysfunction, obesity, dementia, heart disease, heart failure

– Bacon causes erectile disorder and considered a carcinogen

– Enjoy the water, green tea, sparkling water, black coffee, golden milk, matcha tea

– Every meal has to be fruit & vegetable rich

– Stand more, walk more

– Do this 80 % of the time



– Know your cholesterol: advanced cholesterol panel

– Know your vitamin D level

– Test for high sensitivity c-reactive protein (hs-CRP) ; See if you’re suffering from inflammation

– Test for lipoprotein a (LPA) ; 23% of Americans have an elevated level on a genetic basis

– Go for homocysteine test

4. Let’s talk about tips & tricks. What about saunas and other hacks? (31:12)

– Infrared Sauna: reduces hospitalization, heart disease

– Steam sauna: eliminating heavy metals and chemicals

(Read here about my experience on Infrared Sauna>>)

– Earthing: Be in contact with the earth

– Get a Blender

– Get a recipe for a smoothie! The minimum fruits to eat should be 5-6 servings

5. What about vitamins? Do you recommend vitamins? If so, which type? If not, do you worry about nutritional deficiencies as a vegan? (37:38)

– Not all but many vitamins can be tested for. Check your vitamin D levels, Omega 3

– Omega 3 rich foods: Chia seeds, Flax seeds, rarely fish-based

– Amla & Gooseberry herbs

– Natural vitamins

For vegans, know your levels for:

1. Vitamin B-12

2. Vitamin D

3. Omega 3

6. How about stress? How hard is stress on the arteries? What do you use to keep yourself stress-free? (41:18)

– Humor, music, breathing practice, meditative practice, yoga, sleep

7. What apps have you been using? (43:54)

– Headspace app

– Dr. Michael Greger’s The Daily Dozen

– Alivecor records your heart for 30 seconds

8. How do you do intermittent fasting? (46:46)

– Recommended: https://prolonfmd.com

– Drop your calories to 800 5 days in a row, you can drop your blood pressure, lower inflammation.

– You release youthful stem cells

9. Where do you come out on Keto? How dangerous do you think is this new Keto diet fad is? (53:16)

– The brain prefers glucose as a fuel, an alternative is ketones

– Ketogenic diets in libraries are found for patients with seizures only

– People that sustain a keto diet long term have a side effect called increased death rate

10. What’s the essence of your book Dead Execs Don’t Get Bonuses? What is the one thing you want them to do to not die? (58:38)

– This is a plea to surviving your career with a healthy heart

– This is for you to get heart testing



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[00:26] Reena Jadhav:  Hi everyone. Today we’re talking about the ticker, the same Oregon that’s responsible for over 600,000 deaths a year in the US. That’s about one in four of us are gonna die from a heart attack. Depressing stats, but I have a lot of questions because I’ve lost some friends and some family members to a certain heart attack, so that always makes you wonder when you get to kind of a late forties. Am I next? How do I know how my arteries are doing? What Diet should I take? What testing can I get done? Not a lot of great answers when you go talk to your primary care. So today we’ve got America’s own Vegan cardiologist, Dr Joel Kahn. Super excited to have him today. He is not only a cardiologists, but the founder of the center for cardiac longevity. He’s launched a campaign to prevent a million heart attacks through healthy living. He’s also the number one best seller of the whole heart solution and debt execs don’t get bonuses. Dr Joel, welcome.

[01:32] Joel Kahn: Well, we started a little somber there, but we’ll pick it up and I’m sure we’ll have some fun and maybe actually I helped some people not become part of that statistic that you mentioned because it is downright shocking. Yeah,

[01:49] Reena Jadhav: I agree. And it’s unacceptable and you’re going to tell us how it’s going to go down to zero and four, right? Because there is a way.

[01:56] Joel Kahn: Well, there’s no doubt we can quickly, quickly dropped that number dramatically. M Zero is a great goal, uh, but let’s, uh, let’s do what we can to bring that number down by tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands in 2018 and sounds fancy, but it’s basically applying a lot of the principles we use in other parts of medicine. Did the number one killer of men and women that has oddly and strangely had been slightly ignored in this preventive cardiology world.

[02:30] Reena Jadhav: How did you get interested and prevention of heart attacks given that you were so great at patching people up after they’d had one?

[02:39] Joel Kahn: Yeah, absolutely. Then you said patch it up. There’s actually a, at least a 70 or 80 year old analogy that you come across a sink that’s overflowing water on your floor. I mean the first thing you’re not going to do is get them off and just mop the floor. The first thing you’re going to do is try and find out why it’s overflowing. It maybe turn the knobs off to stop the problem. We often use that analogy than in medicine. We have a wonderful medical system to mop the floor. I’ve been in the emergency room. It’s not hundreds, thousands of times. Brush to the Cath lab thousands of times taking a look, put in a balloon, the stent, send somebody to bypass surgery. So many, you know, literally thousands of times and that’s mopping the floor because the problem isn’t corrected with that rapid diagnosis.

[03:27] Joel Kahn: That would that bypass the problem is to turn the knobs off, but we’ve got to address for our local areas for our country and really for the entire world though a heart disease is largely a disease of the Western world. There are regions and countries where architects are largely unknown in hospitals. So we actually don’t have to extend this program over every single country in the world to bring numbers down dramatically. Uh, it’s been estimated that actually worldwide could drop a hundred texts, but 8 million if we extended a program. But I got, where did I get so excited about it? I got excited. I mean, I loved training to be a cardiologist. I’d love at race to the Cath lab, driving down a dark road and a 85 miles an hour to make sure I got there as quick as possible if I wasn’t already in the hospital.

[04:14] Joel Kahn: And you know, it was the most therapeutic beneficial video game instant when the patient. But it did not represent the old goal of keeping people healthy and avoiding disability, avoiding the loss of the love, whatever it was. And I personally had a wandered into a very healthy dietary style around age 18 that was keeping Jewish dietary laws called kosher. I walked in my dormitory. I looked around on the first day of dorm life, 1977 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. And I became a salad bar. Eater is really the only option eight for the two years I was in the dorm at the end of those two years, I was totally hooked. I was a a plant eater for life. I haven’t had a hamburger since 1977 and all, and I didn’t really understand the medical implications, certainly environmental or ethical implications, but I was already in med school and I was reading within my medical curriculum and I was reading a lot outside my medical curriculum.

[05:20] Joel Kahn: I read a book in the eighties called Diet for new America by John Robbins at argued more convincingly than I ever imagined was possible in a plant. Was a very beneficial program for the environment. I wasn’t aware of all the factory farming and my vision expanded. And then in 1990, which is the year I began practicing cardiology outside of trainings. I’ve been doing this for 27, 28 years. Research was published so you can actually reverse heart disease with lifestyle when they say something important. There’s usually a noise like that I find it’s just saying Jelic, I don’t even know who it is, St Peter or something, but 1998 major research study was published and said you can actually reverse areas, heart disease. You can take blocked arteries and make them actually younger by eating well and learning how to manage stress using meditation and Yoga and walking and having social connections and friends at all.

[06:19] Joel Kahn: Really interesting data, but the outcome was you can reverse the number one killer of men and women in the Western World Group lifestyle and I was just goal of gullible enough to say, Gosh, you know, I’ve been eating this way for 13 years, so I was already into some meditative practices, regular exercise. I’m going to start teaching people as people are called patients when they’re in the doctor’s office and Cath Lab, so I’ve been teaching a patients if I have to put a stent in you today, it’s got to be the last time ever. We do this because I’m going to teach you the lifestyle that you’d never need to come back here again. Now, much better than that will be really turn those faucets not off and get to them before they ever end up with a needle in their wrist or a needle in their growing, examining their arteries for their body, and that’s what I now do.

[07:08] Joel Kahn: Exclusive very clearly stated goal to keep you out of a surgeon suite, a cath lab suite by teach you the lifestyle that can reduce your risk of have a blog category by probably close to 90 percent. That’s really impressive numbers. When you talk about lifestyle changes, what are you referring to? Give us some concrete examples, but I do want to put up a warning because if anybody hasn’t heard this, there are side effects to adopting a lifestyle that has been shown scientifically over and over to reduce the risk of clogged arteries, erectile dysfunction, stroke and heart attack by 90 percent because the side effects include, you’ll probably have a thinner, more energetic body, better screen develop type two diabetes. You have a much lower chance of developing Alzheimer’s, much lower chance of having a autoimmune disorder in the realm of rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. So the side effects of very concerning.

[08:04] Joel Kahn: I just want to get those out right now and I say with a disclaimer and actually actually is the, uh, you know, the body is this beautiful web or system that in the world that I have now chosen to train in sometimes called functional medicine where you feel a person in their entirety when I can teach them better diet, better lifestyle, I will benefit, you know, the entire body, not just the Oregon that I predominantly trained with. Um, and then you. So I mean, I think about the 90 percent reduction. What’s the lifestyle? So clearly the most dangerous statement out there in my field is moderation in everything because it’s absolutely not true. Moderation. Everything is even more evil than maybe like the American Heart Association and American Diabetes Association website diets, which you know, I, I honored that they’ve eliminated certainly junk food. You’re not going to find directly a advertisement for Wendy’s on American heart association at home cooking sites, but you know, they’re very moderate in their approach.

[09:07] Joel Kahn: It’s okay to have some of this and some of that, you know, you don’t have to do it. All right, well actually it turns out if you’re going to use food as your vehicle to maintain an optimal weight, optimal blood sugar, blood pressure, blood cholesterol, and avoid a number one killer of men and women, clogged arteries, you need to be pretty darn strict. You know, somewhere between maybe 95 and 100 percent and that’s going to be largely whole food. Plant based is your core. I mean, we’re talking beans and legumes and whole grains and fruits and vegetables. A lot of things that have no ingredient list because Broccoli’s Broccoli, you don’t need a sticker on Broccoli, maybe organic or conventional, and that’s about it. Um, and that’s going to be the core of your life. It’s going to be large salads and large casseroles and bean soups and all the rest.

[09:53] Joel Kahn: And then whether five percent of that is occasionally you enjoy, which I don’t choose to. Do you enjoy a piece of grilled animal product? You fill in the blank. I don’t like the word protein because I get plenty of protein in my diet. I don’t need too much protein in my bed because actually you age slower before age 65 70. If you eat a lower protein bag, we can go down that rabbit trail we went. But, so, you know, but you, that you’ve got to be quite inherent and you can’t be sloppy with it. The little donut here, the um, uh, empty calorie Bagel with a GMO dairy cream cheese. They’re the fruit loops at the hotel that just looked so good. I’ll just stick some in. Hey quickly add up and are adding to the burden of ending up being a person 40, 50, 60, 70, developing chronic diseases, uh, you know, obesity, hypertension, adult diabetes, arthritis, pain of fibromyalgia and fatigue syndromes, uh, depression, uh, memory issues, which are entirely, none of these are 100 percent entirely lifestyle response, but they’re generally 80 to 90 percent lifestyle preventive.

[11:07] Joel Kahn: So high. My moniker that I teach, um, I have to put this on a coffee cup before somebody else’s nose is extreme and diet, moderate exercise and abundant in love because I do really, I don’t, I’m not a scary Debbie Downer kind of person. You have a slice of pizza, you’re about to die to die. You did something that does favorite disease versus favoring wellness. And we have to retrain her palate and retrain her shopping list three trainer Pantry, retrain how we travel and how we eat in restaurants. The classic example, real quick, I was in Las Vegas last night. I’m back in Detroit right now. I was at a major medical conference, gave a lecture yesterday that 70,000 physicians and other health professionals. And, uh, after that, about 14 of us went out to dinner in the complex and I’m not gonna name names and they’re all wonderful people, but 13 people ate grilled meat and potatoes and all kinds of things.

[12:06] Joel Kahn: And I ordered five vegetables side dishes, please. I’m not looking for a Nobel prize in, you know, in restaurant ordering, but grilled egg plant and I had some great Atta Mommy, all kinds of things. It was actually delicious. Um, and you know, that’s what I’m saying. It’s such an ingrained habit. Nothing on the table. Look good. I love what I like. That’s what I urge people to do. If you’re a serious student of health and wellness. So that’s diet. Beyond that, we have to move our body. We can move our body in a yoga studio and a fitness gym and Arjun bodies. We can stand at work like I’m standing right now, I’m standing desk with. It’s called the landing pad, but let’s kind of move around a little bit. We need stress management. I Love Yoga, I love meditation. I love kind of spiritual music. Some people use headspace and other apps and smart phone.

[12:59] Joel Kahn: Uh, we need a brief breathing exercises. There’s a quick one called four, seven, eight breathing. You can just google and find a quick youtube 90 seconds that works real well in a business meeting or a family encounter where you don’t want to blow your cool kind of reset your autonomic nervous system when we’re balanced. Oh, you can use adaptogenic herbs to kind of help with stress because they’re not addictive and generally quite beneficial. Like a funny words. Ashwagandha and cordyceps, Rhodiola, and we need great sleep. You need great sleep as we have to take that nighttime to restore, regenerate, rejuvenate, rebuild. Our oxidative antioxidant activity is trust the fences, repair our broken DNA from a day of running around, you know, slapping down caffeinated products and all the rest alcohol. So you got to get to. You can’t compromise your sleep. And in these studies that have shown you can prevent and reverse heart disease.

[13:57] Joel Kahn: The core activities were this very fruit, vegetable rich diets. They weren’t called Vegan, they’re just fruit, vegetable sides. They were regular activity in excess of 30 minutes a day, obviously that smoking, they were maintaining a thin waist line under 40 inches for men under 35 inches for a woman. They were sleeping seven hours or more at night and I don’t want to sleep 14 hours, but seven, eight, nine hours a night. And um, they were actually enjoying a bit of alcohol as part of your lifestyle. These are scientific studies that looked at multiple factors and came down with the five or six that were predictive of surviving your working career and beyond without ever having a heart attack or identifiable block block show. It’s tough. I’ll just one last statement before I start flapping my lips. Even just this week rather shocking study from Spain I’ve been following, it’s a, it’s an ongoing study, really highly academic scientists falling about 4,000 bank workers in Madrid and they’re doing imaging of their carotid arteries up to the brain, their leg arteries called femoral arteries using ultrasound.

[15:04] Joel Kahn: They’re doing cat scans of the heart to see if there’s, there’s, they’re taking people that answer, I have no heart disease. I have not just been, I feel great. I’m a 44 year old bank worker, I have no heart disease and they’re actually imaging them to see if that’s actually accurate and what that identified and published this week and it made some headlines around the world is 50 percent of people that were identified as low risk. By the way your doctor, you go to your doctor and blood pressure, blood sugar, blood cholesterol, weight, a few questions about your diet, your low risk. Don’t worry, Mrs Jones, Mr Smith, this is nichols. Fifty percent of them in this study in Spain had silent artery damage to the brain, the legs or the heart or all of them that were not detected in our predicted because people are eating moderate diets of moderate activity and moderate quality and making compromises here, there and silently. Our pipes are getting rusted so it’s a tough deal for either help form as it eat more fruits and vegetables everyday, everywhere, every meal.

[16:09] Joel Kahn: Just a little bit of chicken is not going to do it as what you’re saying. It’s still going to. Well, um, I’ve, I, you know, I’m not a chicken eating advocate that I’d rather eat chicken than a donut close down, uh, and just a little bit, but. So what I think we don’t know in terms of health, we know in terms of animal rights, a little bit of chicken is still a piece of chicken who didn’t really want to participate in that. And a little pizza. Chicken is part of a probably affect farming organization that’s harming our environment. So are a number of levels of which we have to consider our plate in her diet. And her close regard for in terms of health, it is the Mediterranean Diet. You’ve got a gigantic plate with a base of a beautiful multicolored salad. You’ve got the little balsamic and maybe a little extra virgin olive oil on it.

[17:00] Joel Kahn: You’ve got some walnuts, you got some pumpkin seeds, you know, added a few sprouts in there is in the corner of the plate, you know, three ounces of grilled chicken without the skin on it versus my plate and probably has beans or tempe or save time or jack fruit in the corner. She would we ever determine, you know, that those two plates have different health impacts long term because they’re 90 percent plus plant based, unknown unknown and you know, I don’t know that we even need to resolve it. If you can stay on track and your little corner has a piece of chicken, go for it. And if mine has jackfruit I’ll stay right over there. I feel good about that. With the exception of you’re a heart patient. If you’re actively trying to reverse known heart disease. It was trying to avoid a stent or a bypass.

[17:49] Joel Kahn: I would advise you to go to the jack fruit plate because that’s where the sciences, the says completely animal free diets, rich in whole foods, whole grains, legumes, fruits, vegetables, have that ability to reverse and prevent that heart attack that we don’t want to hear about. Not, you know, because all this is kind of theory and you said just before we went live, you know, you know, some people in the early forties who’ve had heart attacks or maybe even died. You know, my business is to take care of people in. And I rarely, but I’m aware in the community of 45 year olds, 38 year olds, 54 year olds, 50 year olds that dropped dead. And that is the end of the game. That is not fun. I mean a heart attack. It’s tragic. But with the way we treat heart attack to use the coupons back usually, I mean the people that are dropping dead, it’s the same process as a heart attack.

[18:39] Joel Kahn: It’s just unfortunately right at the beginning, the heart goes into bad rhythm and you know, you’re in cardiac arrest and you know, you might be lucky, but majority of people are gonna die right away. We are losing good, good, good people and families and other, these are kids that aren’t going to see us, you know, parents, spouses. And it’s tragic. So when you take just one human being, um, you know, uh, I always go back, we had a great detroiter who ran a school of engineering design and at age 60 and he was thin and he did yoga and externally he would fit like that group in Spain got to be healthy inside, you know. But if you don’t test your guessing, and I live by another little credo tests that guests, I want to know, I don’t want to guess I don’t want to use a six year old.

[19:29] Joel Kahn: Went out for a bike ride a couple years ago, never came back, dropped out of art attack while enjoying a nice steak. Kids never saw him get breaks my heart that our system doesn’t identify. So let’s talk about testing. And um, I always throw thrown a little medical history of 400 years ago, Dr Siden and Hammond, England said, you are as old as your arteries. So immediately every listener I want you to ask, so I have any clue how old my arteries are. And you probably don’t know if you have a funny little crease in your ear lobe. It’s called the diagonal crease. You might have old diaries. I sound like the redneck guy right now. You might have old arteries if you have, if you’re a guy knew early in life last here at the top of your head, you might have old arguments. If you’ve got salt and pepper here earlier than your friends and relatives, you might have old arteries.

[20:17] Joel Kahn: If you have erectile dysfunction, if you’re a man and you’ve started to have difficulty getting or maintain an erection, you might have clogged arteries. You might’ve old arteries, but that’s still intelligent guessing. You can go one step beyond that, so if you’re over 40 and your concern, because maybe you have a family member had heart or stroke disease early in life, you have a cluster, blood pressure, blood sugar, you have a funny crease in your low barrier prematurely gray or you have erectile dysfunction. We want to get a cat scan of your heart, which is a technology that was developed in San Francisco and Silicon Valley. It’s not a very silicon kind of thing. It’s a cat scan or you lie down. You go into a machine, you hold your breath and you go home. No, no injection, no iodine, no exercise. In about 10 seconds, the three major heart arteries can be imaged or seen a.

[21:09] Joel Kahn: it’s. I tell people when you see a doctor or even if you have a stress test, it’s like telling your mechanic, you know, I want you to diagnose that funny noise, but you can’t lift the hood and really look at the engine where the problem probably is a. that’s what a stress test is. That’s what a stethoscope is like. That’s what he’d been an Ekg, but if you get this cat scan, it’s like lifting the hood and putting your hands on the engine. You actually see the heart. You see the arteries, you get a number, and if that cat scan number is zero, who have almost certainly identified extremely healthy arteries, that should do. You’re good for another five, 10 years, maybe much longer than that, and if you get a number back that’s 100 or 300 or 600, it’s a software determine and measurement of how much silent plaque, which is part of what they did in this Spanish study of bank workers.

[21:55] Joel Kahn: You’ve got a problem. You need to see a specialist. You need to really dive deep into some books, into your lifestyle. That’s called a coronary artery. Calcium scan and it used to be when Oprah did it on her TV show is a special 15 years ago in my community was a thousand dollars in a really prohibited in a lot of people from getting it done in my city. It’s now $70. It’s a the same amount of radiation is a mammogram which is generally considered rather low dose and you don’t do it yearly. You’re do it maybe every five or 10 years and we would. That’s part of the program, so prevent a million heart attacks in the next two years. You know, you’re 50 years old to get a colonoscopy or 45 slash 50. You might get a Mammogram, you’re 40 5:50. Nobody’s gonna recommend this ct scan do even though you’re close is 248, even though your blood sugar is 112, even though your waistline is 42 inches, nobody’s recommending if there’s no money in it.

[22:50] Joel Kahn: There’s not enough knowledge and awareness. Unfortunately. You often need a prescription from a doctor so it can be an impediment to go to your family doctor, your nurse practitioner, and they say you don’t really need that. It’s only because they’re not familiar with it. I’ve personally been involved in probably 10 to 12,000 patients that have had a scan. I know what to do about it. I know how powerful it is because there’s about two or 3000 medical articles about it. There’s tons of science, so we just saved a bunch of lies. If everybody listening wrightstown coronary artery calcium scan, google it, read about it, find out your local hospital. See if one of them will do it for 75, 80, $9,100, probably not covered by insurance. Although in the state of Texas, everybody gets one at age 50 and you might think about doing that sometime after age 40 and just be certain your as youthful inside as you believe you are

[23:47] Reena Jadhav: such an incredible amount of information. They’re both in terms of testing as well as you know, watching out for those symptoms. Let’s just step back a little bit and say, you know, for folks that are so busy these days running from their work to home to social engagements and then trying to remember to keep that artery clean, what would you say are some of the most important takeaways for someone who’s very busy and yet wants to do sort of that 80 slash 20 rule, right? What are the 20 percent of things that I should do to keep at least 80 percent of my arteries clean?

[24:22] Joel Kahn: Sure. Some are so obvious, but we have to say you can’t smoke. You can’t smoke and really expect good things to come from you. Yes. There has been a woman, 100, 13 years old who smoked till she was like 109 or something, but that, that is not how you based lifestyle judgements. There are people that bother driving. Don’t wear seat belts and gum guy. But uh, there are obviously increased risks and we recognize that don’t smoke. You, um, have got to stop eating processed food. The food that’s most offensive in terms of your health are probably processed red meats. So we’re eating bacon, Baloney Salami, but astronomy hotdogs, uh, associated with obesity, dementia, diabetes, heart disease, erectile dysfunction, congestive heart failure. If you’re in a hospital and you see them serving bacon or hot dogs, you should immediately grabbed the tray, throw it down, and started screaming murderers because then maybe wake up and stop.

[25:20] Joel Kahn: And I say that I used to say it with some passion, but when the World Health Organization and determined in reviewing all the literature in the world that they can directly causes colorectal cancer and should be considered a carcinogen on power with diesel fuel and cigarettes, although more people die of smoking related disorders, then they can relate to disorders. But why don’t we let anybody that I have bacon related disorders, at least in hospitals. So I’ve gotten a little crazy on there. So the only processor, red meat don’t eat processed foods, you know, go hungry. Rather than pulling into Mcdonald’s and having a sausage egg mcmuffin. I grabbed the past because there’s so much to be said about the health benefits. So, you know, number one, 60 percent of calories and most Americans eat, sadly are in a bucket or in a yellow bag or in a plastic wrapper from a or frozen and they’re largely chemical and they’re hyper processed, you know, they made our life a little convenient maybe, but they have seriously, seriously altered our health and right next to that, out of sugar sweetened beverages, which is the only added sugar in the Diet, we actually know for sure it does increase your risk of diabetes, a little sugar in your coffee, although I don’t really love me, no ethan, that doesn’t cause diabetes, but sugar sweetened beverages do.

[26:44] Joel Kahn: And so, you know, just get rid of the Diet Cokes, get rid of the regular Pepsi’s, get rid of the mountain dews. Learn to go back to enjoying water and enjoying green tea. Enjoying sparkling waters. Black coffee. I’m them. Learn how to make a golden milk. Uh, the world’s Gone Gaga right now about matcha tea in New York City. Matcha tea buyers or the rage. And I’ll get back there. Yeah, we’ve got to retrain our tongue a little bit. Um, but if we’re serious about wanting to maintain, our else, said not ended up with chronic disease are dropping dead, so that wouldn’t be, you know, those are the tools to take out. And then what do you put in? Just again, every meal has to be fruit and vegetable rich. We need to stand more, walk more, you know, and uh, you, you do, you do that 80 percent of the time.

[27:31] Joel Kahn: You’re going to be way down the road towards health youth throwing, getting your heart check with this ct scan once around age 45, you know, your calcium score is zero. You’re pretty bulletproof. I’ve had patients that look thin. Exercise seemingly seem in good shape in the cat. Scan comes back horrible. In about six weeks ago, I had probably the most messed up, stressed up executive in the city running an international business. Two in the morning and Spaghetti, four in the morning, slamming down chicken Parmesan. Never seen a treadmill since he was 20 years old. No 30 extra pounds. His body calcium score zero. Because it’s actually a very complex process whether you’re going to age your arteries or not. He was doing everything wrong and his lab work was a disaster. So his lifestyle hadn’t yet robbed him of our health. But how there’s a lot of years ahead.

[28:26] Joel Kahn: Say I said something important thing again. So, um, and then I want to extend it, get a few extra lab tests that aren’t usually on your doctor’s a lab sheet. So, so, you know, you want to know your cholesterol. There is actually something called an advanced cholesterol panel. It’s $28 instead of $12, so nobody is going to be hurt too much. Cost Wise, uh, it’s called advanced cholesterol panel, I mean know your vitamin D level, but there’s one called high sensitivity c reactive protein. I had dinner last night in Las Vegas, one of the mediators runs a $6,000,000,000 a year lab testing business, the largest in the world. And he was telling me how miserably poor is the number of lab requests. They get that check off the box. It says his CRP or high sensitivity, c reactive protein. If you don’t test it, you don’t know if they have lab comes back high.

[29:22] Joel Kahn: Something’s not working right. You don’t get enough omega three in your diet. You’re eating too much processed foods, rich in sugar, rich and poor quality processed oils like soybean oil coming from, you know, rather for probably GMO sources. You’re not exercising. Your waist is too big. You got psoriasis, dental, check your high sensitivity protein c, if you’re suffering from inflammation because inflammation drives you down the road to cancer drives you down the road to diabetes and dementia drives you down the road. A dark disease, there’s a kind of cholesterol. Nobody gets checked, called light bulb protein, a light bulb IPO protein, eight long word. It’s actually got an abbreviation with three letters, Lpa, Lpa. It’s a kind of cholesterol. Twenty percent of Americans, $63, million have an elevated level on a genetic basis against a man. I sell it. I go to my yoga, I sleep eight hours a night.

[30:21] Joel Kahn: I don’t have to worry about that. Well, it’s genetic and you might have to worry about it, get it done in one c or your blood levels normal, or if it’s 10 times I have a whole practice full of people. And finally I’ve learned that they are suffering a early artery damage because they have a blood test, genetic abnormality that had no clue about, but once we tested we can design a program to deal with it. Um, homocysteine is a few dollars to have it drawn. Indicates metabolic process indicates you’re healthy and rich and your b vitamins or potentially unhealthy. So couple extra advanced blood tests would be a good thing and that’s all. It’s not that much. They’ll do a little bit more than average. Eat a lot better than average test, a little bit more than that. Those are great trip. Those are great

[31:07] Reena Jadhav: taps. Let’s talk about actually some other tricks. So what about Saunas and hacks? What about Saunas,

[31:16] Joel Kahn: hacks for your health? And it turns out a bunch of interesting ones. Really good credit and are derived from Japan. So I can’t tell you exactly why, but about 30 years ago, Japanese scientists and clinicians started using infrared sauna in animal research studies and ultimately in human research studies, mainly about heart disease, my mainly about heart failure. I blood pressure, obesity, particularly something, a clogged arteries, atherosclerosis, and they’ve identified, these are all published in English. Any doctor you’re seeing or anybody listening can just go to accurate internet and go read about it. But infrared sauna has been shown to actually improve heart, to decrease blood pressure, um, to uh, reduce hospitalizations and people that have heart disease. Um, some comparable studies out of Finland and Sweden using more steam. The Sauna, um, large studies show that if you want to predict how long somebody is going to live in Sweden and Finland just asked, how many times a week are you in your steam sauna and how many minutes each time. And you can do a little calculation, excuse me for that. And um, the more it is, the greater the chances of longevity. So it may be relaxing, it may be detoxifying in terms of eliminating heavy metals and persistent organic pollutants and endocrine disrupting chemicals. Uh, we accumulate particularly in our fat. That’s one of the reasons why not keep it relatively thin body, so don’t give all those chemicals, extra fat stores to a hideaway in, but has an excellent and one that I use regularly.

[33:04] Reena Jadhav: How often do you go do a sauna and do you use for or regular?

[33:08] Joel Kahn: I go to a sonic because it’s sitting in my bedroom. Nice infrared sauna, which I use probably three, four times a week in the winter and one to two times a week in the summer. There’s just send me about hiding away in there when it’s cold.

[33:20] Reena Jadhav: I love it. I love it. I have one in my workout room and eat is the most beautiful warm time. I wish I could do it every day. How long do you do it

[33:30] Joel Kahn: that or you know, I started on and I go do something and come back when it’s pretty warmed up, but I’ll stay in there right after an hour. Sometimes it’s my place of meditation or sometimes it’s a place to read. Uh, I don’t usually work out. There are people that have gotten as big amounts, they’ve put a stationary bike or Kettlebell and I was truckload that a coupling of, uh, activities. I really a really crazy. You go downstairs and you run your treadmill for 10 minutes, you take a little Niacin and then you jump in your infrared sauna, you sweat like no other. That’s the only for the very strong. And they’re very adventurous on. Be careful with that if you have any kind of medical issues. So yeah. So I’m at is a great hack. There’s something called grounding. There’s not as much science for what I’m going to talk about.

[34:18] Joel Kahn: There is a theory, and I say this, I was yesterday in Las Vegas with Clint who is the founder of the modern theory called grounding or earthing, along with a cardiologist, Stephen Sinatra hanging with them yesterday, but Clint Bobo was sitting on a park bench in Sedona about 30 years ago and he was an engineer and he knew a lot about electronics, low and health, and he was noticing rubber soled shoe, rubber soles, Shoe, rubber, soled shoes, gym shoes because people aren’t buying. He said, you know what? People didn’t use to wear rubber. Soled shoe used to be barefoot, were used to wear leather artisans or whatever, and he was aware that there is a energy source in the earth itself and an electron flow in the Earth and the rubber soled shoes. You can participate in that. And he went on to do some research and came up with a concept that we have suffered some health and some inflammation disorders.

[35:14] Joel Kahn: I never been in contact with you. So if you’re in a proper climate and you can go barefoot once in a while and the grass in the sand by water, you might enhance your health, it can read about it grounding or earthing leather. Sole shoes are actually better in terms of actually transmitting some of this beneficial electronic flow according to the track and they’re actually are sheets that you can buy that have a very, very, very fine little wire meshing on. You can’t feel it. It’s so fine and you’re not going to get electrocuted, but you actually plug the sheets into your three pronged outlet because it’s one of those bronze is the grounding from and it actually is connected through your, uh, house electrical wiring system to the earth. And you can actually derive for some earthing while you’re asleep. I am crazy enough, you know, I’ll do a few crazy things if there’s no harm, no foul.

[36:09] Joel Kahn: I don’t know of any arms. So I have those sheets on my bed. I’ve had them for a year, but I’ve never actually recommended those patients. There are some scientific studies. If they asked me, I’d say, go for it. I do it, but it’s not on my checklist of five things and then it asks you to do, um, another hack to get a blender, get a, you know, personal blender or whether you get the high end things or you get the low end neutral things, you know, and get yourself a good recipe for a smoothie. That guy, last patient I just shot at a I o, m, I have a recipe on the web out there, right? Dr Khan’s, perfect breakfast and I’d tell him I’d send it to him, so just jogged my memory when we’re done. I’ll do that. But you know, if we’re going to try and get five, six servings of fruits and vegetables a day is actually the minimum eight, nine, 10. Would it be better? No. That’s a great hack. Is to learn how to make not as sugar rich, but a whole fruit or vegetable ground. Flaxseed powder. She has seen no a tasty morsel. I don’t usually put protein powders. Them. I don’t even like the word protein because kind of polarizes and everybody immediately thinks of chicken breast. Don’t think of chick pea protein. I go eat some black beans that would make the world a whole lot healthier and happier and happier. A little noisier to. But that’d be fun.

[37:33] Reena Jadhav: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. Well, what about vitamins? Do you recommend vitamins? If so, which type is not? Do you worry about nutritional deficiencies as a Vegan?

[37:48] Joel Kahn: Okay. Um, all wonderful questions. So again, going back to that little statement I made test, not guess not all but many vitamins can be tested for and I’m not into wasting dollars, but you probably should have your vitamin D level checked because maybe 50 percent of Americans are extremely low. Normal levels are usually over 30, but there are people that are, have blood levels of six, seven, eight, nine, which is like super low. Twelve be 12. If you’re eating strictly Vegan, yeah, you can get your blood level checked. Omega three very important. Essential Nutrient. Humans, animals, Salmon. Don’t make Omega three. Grass fed cows don’t make Omega three m they eat from the earth that made from algae and made from bacteria that may be 12 in terms of the earth. I’ll make it three like EPA and Dha. So there’s blood tests for that and I do them on my mediators and my chicken eaters being inpatients and uniformly there’s a variety of nutritional deficiencies that are not solely but to answer your last question or two last questions, I am, I use natural substances and you can call them vitamins, nutraceuticals, supplements when I’ve seen scientific benefit, uh, and I want to help my patients.

[39:12] Joel Kahn: I mean I can write them a prescription for a blood pressure drug and there’s a lot of ones that are tried and true and safe and I use them when I need some of my patients don’t want that. And they’re willing to try and lose weight and exercise, change your diet during viscous, the ad ground flaxseeds or their diet all which can lower blood pressure, an infrared sauna. But I might use a Indian Aria vedic herb called en la Indian gooseberry because that’s been shown to lower blood pressure, cholesterol and blood sugar. I might use an Italian citrus called Bergen, which has been shown to lower blood pressure, blood sugar, blood cholesterol. And there are published studies that are pretty impressive. So I do use a lot of natural vitamins. I frankly rarely give anybody just the standard multivitamin. These are more targeted. Um, if they’re low in Omega three, I want them to eat omega three rich foods screens, Chia, flax.

[40:04] Joel Kahn: But I might pick a bnr rarely a fish based on EPA. Dha Supplement my vegans. Yes. Megan’s, the latest greatest is that they should probably be taken three vitamins. We all know be 12 because she can get some serious neurologic problems if you are low in b 12 and there’s plenty of vegans that are low, but a begins are statistically little bit more commonly afflicted with that. A vitamin D which is uniformly low and so many people but slightly more likely to be low and people eating a Vegan Diet. And finally a little algae based Omega three EPA, Dha. It’s kind of the current recommendation. Any, there’s dozens of benefits to adopting a fully vegan diet. There are a few weaknesses to it. And the weaknesses are so trivial compared to the benefits. So there actually are a few companies now making a single vitamin that has omega three, vitamin D and b 12, so it’s made it even easier or you might have to take three pills or maybe are doing a sublingual spray or something, but it’s really not much of a liability to do all this.

[41:17] Reena Jadhav: How about stress? How far does stress on the arteries and what do you use to keep yourself stress free?

[41:26] Joel Kahn: Um, well I, I, the day I get stress free, I’ll call you or me. Yeah, there’s a story about that very question and I think and the, the older wiser person is walking with another person talking about people that are stressed free and he’s purposely wineries to the neighbor until they come to the cemetery out. This is where there are for you to have a management technique. But I do, I use for you, I mean seriously, I do use humor. I use a lot of music. It can range from really a Christian Ed Shah. The whole Kundalini music scene was not. I Love Austin and I played in my office where our patients nonstop. It’s just a beautiful background, soothing, but fight instantly, go to some blues riffs and, uh, probably wouldn’t call very calming music, but music does it for me. I am breathing practices.

[42:25] Joel Kahn: I do have something called the little 12 minutes meditative breathing practice at a Dr Singh in Tucson at the Alzheimer’s Prevention Center, writes about simple, simple little meditative practice, uh, that you can learn in probably 90 seconds. Um, fitness, you know, I do a little yoga flow called the five Tibetans every morning for back and core and mindful kind of training. I did the same darn yoga flow everyday, but I love it. What else I do? I try and get sleep because, you know, if you’re tired, your day’s probably going to be bad and you’re not going to manage stress well. If you’ve taken a right and you’ve got three and a half hours of fairly stinky airplane sleep, no, you’re going to be easier to trigger when a patient shows up late or a spouse says something about the bags under your eyes or whatever it is. So, uh, I really do treasure good sleep more than I did for the first 45 years of my life. Fifty years of my life. Was that my approaching age 60? It’s, it’s a, it’s like the new status symbol. The New York Times said, if you can legitimately say, you know, you’re getting seven, eight hours of sleep, uh, you, you’ve got Tim Tim Ferriss’ four hour work day philosophy or something where you’re doing things right.

[43:46] Reena Jadhav: That’s right. I think sleep is one of the most important healing recommendations. I try to practice it myself. So what apps have you been using? Have you tried any of the answers? So much good stuff out there. Um, you

[44:00] Joel Kahn: know, they’re um, actually there’s an interesting app that the University of Michigan has four for travel and sleep and such. And it’s called, I think it’s called train e n t r I n I’m looking on my phone. So if I’m taking a big trip, that might be a, it’s a whole strategy. How to. Yeah. E N T r a I N it’s a free downloadable APP. Headspace. Ten minutes of guided meditation before bed. Uh, is, I’ll use now and then it’s just so accessible. Um, but I don’t use other sleep apps. I’m trying to think. Um, there are so many. You’re right.

[44:39] Reena Jadhav: Are there any other apps in terms of just heart health that you like that you would recommend?

[44:45] Joel Kahn: Yeah, you know, you got to give a shout out to Dr Michael Greger from a nutrition facts that org absolutely amazing free website and his, um, well how not to die. And he has an app called the daily dozen 12 health habits largely centered around nutritional choices, a little bit there about fitness and hydration and you could literally go through, but during the day and checkoff 12, which would make it an incredibly healthy day. Um, I think that’s it in terms of regular stuff. I’ll say one other, if anybody out there has a true cardiac problem, is they’re having palpitations, heart irregularity or to regularity. There’s a little device called live cor and you ordered on Amazon for 99 bucks. The APP is free and downloadable, but the actual um, device requires spending a few bucks on Amazon and you can record an unbelievably accurate electric cardiogram off your phone.

[45:53] Joel Kahn: Now the apple three watch has it as a, um, as a watch fan. So I’m like a crazy man because I like to do this in the airport and to people and just show off by off my watch off my phone. And anyways, it’s actually very useful if you’re having some issue doc put on one of those monitors, told me, couldn’t find anything, but I still feel something funky going on. Well, it basically with live or it can be your own monitor and I have patients because that’s the beauty of it. You record your art for 30 seconds and then they email it to me. I can tell. Look, it’s amazing he caught where they can catch during the hospital heart monitor.

[46:34] Reena Jadhav: Very cool. Let’s stop fasting. I know you’ve talked a lot about intermittent fasting and there’s um, a company who orders products who delivers the products that you’ve talked about. Tell us a little bit about why it helps with heart health and how do you do intermittent fasting?

[46:52] Joel Kahn: Yeah. So, um, I love to talk on that topic. If we would have talked to a year and a half ago, I had a lot less to say, um, that’s why I was in Las Vegas yesterday because the world’s leading expert in fasting is a Italian born professor of biochemistry at the University of Southern California. Dr Valter, Longo or biology professor of Gerontology really, um, alter Longo. Anybody wants to watch one of his youtubes or listening to a podcast. It’s like the word Walter with a v e l o n g o p h d just turned. He was nominated for the Nobel prize in medicine for is just from science about the biochemistry in cells of why we age, but what unique. There’s a term translational medicine taking basic science, trying to translate it into something that can help people right now. And what’s unique about Dr Longo is he’s always had kind of two research projects going on.

[47:51] Joel Kahn: A basic science one. They probably will win a Nobel prize in medicine in the next 10 years, but he’s had a clinical trial going on for years, but what’s the optimal way to use fasting to actually slow down these biochemical processes that he was the first in the world to describe really unique. I mean not just identified the pathway and the problem, but come up with a solution and it turns out he took more than a decade and tried, you know, like Thomas Edison, 10,000 ways not to make a light bulb. He tried many, many different ways, dozens of ways to try fasting and in models of yeast models of mice and ultimately now human and he found if you sustain reduced calories five days in a row, not a day, a week thing. I like the fast tied in England where two days a week you would drop your calories.

[48:38] Joel Kahn: You dropped your calories five days in a row, but you don’t drop them all that much. I’ll tell you, and you drop them in a way with a very specific constitution of what you’re eating. You can not only provoked court, fasting may do, which may help you lose visceral fat, which means belly, a belly roll, and looking better in your bikini. You may drop your blood pressure, they lower inflammation that high sensitivity, c reactive protein, but you actually activate because it is a little stressful to eat, uh, the calorie load of this program for five days in a row. You actually, the body responds by trying to heal the body. The body’s under stress. The is threatened. Let’s put out some of the basic mechanisms that we share with yeast, the exact, and I wouldn’t say exact, very similar mechanisms of healing when we’re stressed by fasting, and so we released stem cells in our blood.

[49:33] Joel Kahn: The only dietary program, the only fasting program shown to actually have your bone marrow, will respond by releasing youthful stem cells that might go to your store plantar fasciitis or you’re sore, left hip, sore, right shoulder, or maybe your multiple sclerosis or dementia. You’re type one or two diabetes. These are ongoing research projects that are looking very hopeful, and so he’s put that together. It’s 800 calories a day. It’s a low protein, low carbohydrate, high healthy fat whole food diet. There’s olives or nuts or suits. There’s drinks, but it comes in a box and you can’t really do it without Dr Longos box because there’s very. There’s been years of work going into these 65, 66 different ingredients that are in the suits and all the spices and the teas, so that’s called prolonged the r o l o n. I learned about it about a year ago. It’s five days a month as often as you want to do it or perhaps as often as you can afford it because it’s not all that inexpensive.

[50:35] Joel Kahn: I’ve done it seven of the last 10 months when I do it for those five days, 800 calories. I’m not going to go out there and run 10 miles. I’m going to do some yoga and be gentle that day or those five days sleep like a baby work well all day. Brain Sharp, no kind of detox, feeling headache or nausea because it’s really geared to give you the nutrition. You need only 800 calories, but I’m 25 pounds lighter than I was 10 months ago and I have never had any program. It happens to be a plant based dietary program so it just fit perfect into what I was already doing for us for decades and I’ve had dozens and dozens of dozens of patients that have reproduced that dropped her inflammation clinical gains in terms of resolving some clinical problem that was bothering them. Usually some achy joint or fibromyalgia and there are actually anti aging are actually rejuvenating their body using food and anybody can do that right now.

[51:35] Joel Kahn: There are some people shouldn’t do it. People with eating disorders, people that are underweight very elderly people with brittle diabetes or maybe even any diabetic. There’s a soon to be an on going trial of this dietary program in diabetics. So we get those results. It’s not really a treatment plan for diabetes in a box, but um, ongoing studies in Alzheimer’s, ongoing studies and multiple sclerosis, ongoing studies as a adjunct to chemotherapy. Because there is some preliminary data that suggests you actually get a better response from your chemotherapy with less side effects when you combine these sustain days of fasting with the therapy, I think is without a doubt the biggest advance in preventive and nutritional medicine of 2017, maybe the last decade without a doubt.

[52:26] Reena Jadhav: Last question. Let’s talk about Keto and Paleo versus it and all the hot buttons are here. We are, you know, end of 2017 and in fact just today there was a, a pretty popular, pretty viral article that features a very well known holistic health doctor. Talking about how the Diet of the future for the next decade will be Quito and you and I know that when you say Quito, what jumps out in terms of recipes as beef briskets and bacon and butter, butter, butter in coffee, butter bombs, bad bonds is what they’re called, but they’re really butter bombs. So where do you come out and how dangerous do you think the new Kito Diet fad is and what do you worry about?

[53:26] Joel Kahn: Like almost every approach. I’m looking for science when I’m making recommendations to patients. I have an md after my name and I think that’s my responsibility. I’m a professor at a couple of medical schools around Detroit and have to teach and it has to be within acceptable levels, so if you go to the National Library of medicine, that kind of online resource that we all go to now instead of the textbooks that I owned a long time ago and you look up agentic diet, you will find a number of references by using it for refractory seizures, refractory epilepsy fact. You can go back 100 years and children with refractory epilepsy. Geeta genic diets, we’re going to drop the cards very low. We’re going to leave usually fat and protein high. We’re going to sustain that with very, very low carbohydrate. We will start to manufacture these ketone bodies that can cross the blood brain barrier and be used as a fuel.

[54:28] Joel Kahn: Find the brain, even though the brain prefers glucose as a fuel, it can use an alternative fuel ketone bodies and there is a response in some of these kids and some adults with the refractory seizures. That is essentially the only data in the literature, and most people listening today do not have refractory epilepsy. There are hints at a few studies that short term, low carb high fat diets may be a value in improving waistline measures of inflammation, blood sugar, blood cholesterol. I don’t deny that there’s science out there, but um, uh, there’s none about cardiovascular disease. There’s zero data. Actually, I’ll tell you, there is one piece, but there’s none that indicate a benefits to cardiovascular disease. Certainly none that indicate there’s a prevention halting or reversal of cardiovascular disease. Whereas we have this very robust body of data for a whole food plant based diets to help prevent or reverse cardiovascular disease.

[55:26] Joel Kahn: Number one killer of men and women in America. So there’s big giant goose egg, a really solid science. And what’s very concerning to me because the typical, as you already said, ketogenic diet is going to be a my, my twitter friends that we share comments back and forth and posts everyday. It’s my 30th day of eating a no carb all meat diet. Um, it’s my third month of eating and no car ball meat diet. You know these things get distorted to such extremes is there are seven very large studies in the medical literature that people that sustain a Keto genic type value long term have a side effect called increased death rate in that solid science increased death rate, so that’s not usually discussed on Quito blog sites, hito bone broth product, whatever it is that you know, warning, it is possible that this may harm your health in terms of your actual survivor.

[56:25] Joel Kahn: There is one study if you’ve had a heart attack. This is from Harvard, involves a few thousand patients, all had had a heart attack, all filled out, very detailed dietary questionnaires which like it or not is how most nutritional science is played out and those that described their diet in a way that was low carb, high fat at a higher death rate after a heart attack, and those that described the value as a whole food, whole food, Mediterranean or whole food plant based Diet. So once again in the world, I would not recommend my patients to the typical ketogenic diet that so many health professionals now turns out Dr. Long those five day program and only five days a month in district Ketosis, the last few days, day four, day five, day six, you have to be a little careful and frail people. It’s using plant based ketosis and there is a growing interest. There were some research studies already was called Eco Atkins that a plant based diet, short term, correct. Some abnormalities like blood sugar, blood cholesterol, blood pressure, and now we have that go along those program with some actually revolutionary data about rejuvenation regeneration. Using a plant based Diet, limited in duration, going back to a diet that is not and maybe pulsing it intermittently and I think there’s a lot of reasonably that may be an option that’s healthy, but a an animal based diet. They scientific literature just scares me.

[57:57] Reena Jadhav: I agree. It scares me when I look at Brian Bacon for breakfast, especially after watching the movie. What the hell? So here we go. Everyone should watch twice. I agree. I think everyone should watch twice so I can’t look at chicken the same way after seeing the movie and I won’t reveal why. I think people who haven’t seen the movie really watched the movie, So, uh, you’ve written some amazing books. Last question, I know I said that before, but this has been so insightful. I keep coming up with awesome questions that I want to know your answers to, but truly, last question for everyone out there that’s listening, that’s an executive under a high pressure job, not a great book out dead execs don’t make bonuses. What’s the essence of that book and what do you want every executive that’s listening to this podcast as we do distribute out in silicon valley, in the tech world, what is the one thing you want them to do to not die?

[58:51] Joel Kahn: Yeah, I actually answer your question. Just add one little Titusville to it. It is what we talked about. That book that executives don’t get bonuses is a plea at the subtitle is the ultimate guide to surviving your career with a healthy heart and it’s a plea to get this advanced testing. Never assume you went to the gym or you didn’t go to the gym and you’re not having chest pain and your doctor said you’re okay if back had a physical exam. Never assume that actually is a reassurance that you’re not going to drop dead at work or at home in your forties or fifties or sixties. Test. Get those labs we talked about. Get that heart a ct scan, no, for sure. And then get the right treatment if you’re not, if you’re in that 50 percent. This new Spanish study says, uh, are walking around with silent our gri damage ongoing with no clue.

[59:43] Joel Kahn: So the book pretty much goes in a little more detail about what we have. Hit a as a high point in our discussion today. I actually have a brand new book coming out January one called the plant based solution. It’s a beautiful book with reviewing a lot of what we talked about, uh, on the advantages of a plant diet in a variety of medical and health arenas as well as the environment and animal rights. And then it has about 70 recipes and a three week eating program to get somebody going on this wonderful, uh, way to address the deteriorating health that we see all over, whether it’s measured by obesity, type two diabetes, rising rates of dementia, kind of Plateau and heart disease rates. We haven’t really beat this problem 10 years ago, heart disease wasn’t going to be the number one killer of men and women anymore. It was going to be reduced and, and overall health is going to blossom, but we’re not actually seen that. So the plant based solutions available on preorder and all the big sites. And I encourage people to buy hundreds of copies for the holidays.

[01:00:50] Reena Jadhav: Thank you so much Dr Joel. Thank you for everything you’re doing. You’re great. Mission of helping a million people prevent heart attacks. I think you’re well on your way to achieving that. Really appreciate your time today.

[01:01:01] Joel Kahn: I have enjoyed it. And more importantly, I really do hope people took some notes. Maybe go back and relisten, find me a doctor, Joel, conduct calm or most of this is available. And um, you know, really plan the lead, an active, wonderful healthy life. A great statement that’s an Indian proverb, which is a person with health has a thousand dreams first and hopefully help some people have the ability to hold onto their dreams and hopefully get them.

[01:01:32] Reena Jadhav: That’s beautiful. For the rest of few, stay smiling. Get yourself tested up. Dr Joel his upcoming book, and I’ll see you on the next podcast.



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